Re:

[dreyhau@banet.net]

To Marc Fernanddez. Rewriting your algorithms is a great way, but assembly
is the best choice for spped. i.e. A rewritten algorith in assembly
----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Hernandez <marc@ias.jb.com>
To: <gameprogrammer@gameprogrammer.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 9:40 PM
Subject: Re:


>
> There is so much false with these posts it is hard to find where
> to start.  Please NOTE: Which language you use to program has many many
> issues not related to what its name is.  In fact you may use more than one
> language (even write one) on one project.  I am not advocating C++ just
> stopping the false facts.
> All the last 3 posts in this one.
>
> On Thu, 9 Dec 1999 dreyhau@banet.net wrote:
>
> >Oops, left out some parts. I also forgot to mention that your logic is
> >VERY stupid,
>
> Ad hominem attacks will not make you friends or help your
> argument.
>
> >C++ was programmed as a bad joke (admitted by the author).
>
> Already covered.
>
> >Assembly is a great choice for speed.
>
> Actually the best way to get speed is through the use of the
> proper algorithms.  AFTER everything is done, then you optimize your code
> using code rewrites or assembly or whatever.
>
> >However skipping C is ignorant as C++ is BASED on C.
>
> The given C++ FAQ gives a good answer to this.  From the FAQ:
> >>>
> Knowing C is a prerequisite for learning C++, right?
>
> Wrong. The common subset of C and C++ is easier to learn than C. There
> will be less type errors to catch manually (the C++ type system is
> stricter and more expressive), fewer tricks to learn (C++ allows
> you to express more things without circumlocution), and better libraries
> available. The best initial subset of C++ to learn is not "all of C".
>
> See Learning Standard C++ as a New Language for a discussion of the choice
> of C++ constructs, techniques, and libraries for early learning.
> <<<
>
> >Also, If you really want to learn anything The C++ programming
> >language is the best way to go. No doubt about it. Wanna know why? It was
> >made by the programmer himself.
>
> >Besides, why learn C++( a bulky, horrible, buggy language) when you could
> >learn C?
>
> Just plain false.  Languages do not contain bugs, implementations
> of languages (ie compilers) contain bugs.
>
> > Um, uh uh. For big projects C++ is horrible,
>
> Actually C++ was written to make big projects easier, and it does.
>
> >Ever heard of operator overloading. Keeping track of all them for a
> >module or two is 'ok'. But for a couple hundred?
>
> Again just plain false.  All languages have constructs that (for
> some of us) are difficult to manage.  It is what makes programming
> difficult.
>
> >C is a simply superior language. C++ is bulky and contains numerous
> >faults.
>
> Vacuous statements.
>
> > One of the faults includes memory leaks. Who ever heard of
> > a memmory leak in C?
>
> Hmmm?  Speaking of logic.  C++ originally 'compiled' to C code
> which was then compiled to assembly by the platforms C compiler.  Thus if
> C++ has the ability to have memory leaks C must.
> Memory leaks happen from a lot of different reasons.  A big one is
> having to release freed resources.  Since C++ and C typically do not use a
> garbage collector they tend to have them more than languages with GCs.
>
> > Also C++ produces apps about 2 times as big, half as
> > fast, in two times the time to develop.
>
> OOh.  All the facts you have to back this up, or is that none?
>
> > Don't make me argue further, there
> > are so many more arguments.
>
> >Expect you to believe what? That is true and there are probably
> >(definatly) more places that contain the article.
>
> Covered.  The "interview" was not.  Amazing what people will
> believe when they really want to.
>
> >C does have many more advantages
> >(especially on Unix) sorry for the wake up call
>
> If C is a subset of C++[1] how can it have advantages?
>
> --
> Marc Hernandez
> [1] Not in a strict mathematical sense, but that is not important.
>
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