GRIPES ABOUT GRIPES - was Re: GRIPES! again ...

[Kevin Shea <kev@d-cubed.co.uk>]

OK,

at the cost of being hypocritical and griping myself, please can we cut
out the GRIPES?!?

Karel, while I *can* see where you're coming from, please be patient and
show some forbearance to learners. More to the point, please don't
complain about it! I get the impression this is a fairly young mailing
list? If so - give it a chance to sort itself out.

Something with a title "How do I ..."? Here's a revelation: *you can
ignore them without reading them* if you don't want to. Alternatively,
you can help someone out by pointing them in the direction of resources
better suited to their needs. I haven't seen too many repeated "How do
I ..." questiongs from people that *have* been pointed towards other
resources.

Like it or not we've *all* been learners at some point and its not
immediately obvious exactly how much is actually out there on the web to
help you. Likewise, not many people have spare money to fork out on
books
A, B and C on the off-chance they might be useful to them.

OK, no more from me on this subject. I'll stop *my* gripe by saying
that:
a) gripe-messages contribute nothing to a mailing list as a whole while
"too elementary for this list" questions can at least be added to a FAQ
somewhere, and
b) gripe-messages p**s me off far more than beginners questions and as
such, are more likely to make me stop my subscription to this list - if
I want arguments I'll read alt.flame.whatever.
c) please do me the courtesy of sticking with "GRIPE" and not using
"Complaint", "Moan" or other synonyms so that I can keep my kill-filters
simple if it actually comes to killing messages from an otherwise
*useful*
mailing-list.

Apologies to everyone out there for the length of this "gripe".

Kev

PS - more experienced coders might not have been posting here recently
because they're actually coding something. Alternatively, like me (who
reads this stuff during lunch), they're earning a living as *well* as
writing or trying to write games.

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Kevin Shea						D-Cubed Ltd.
Software Engineer					Cambridge
Tel:	+44 1223 722632					CB6 2XD
Email:	kev@d-cubed.co.uk				United Kingdom

Any opinions expressed here are my own and in no way represent the
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Karel Bagchus wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've been on this list from the moment it went live, and I'm really
> dissapointed about the decrease in knowledgable posts in the last 2 weeks.
> All questions / answers I'm referring to can be put in the following Q&A
>
BLAH BLAH BLA ... potential FAQ deleted.
> 
> I have the feeling that, becouse of the increasing "beginners question
> flood", some really good programmers that where on this list unsubscribed
> from it. That's becouse I don't see them posting anymore. That means that I
> won't see anything that I can learn from, or ask questions to, and so I
> will eventually move off as well.
>
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