Re: GRIPES!

["Mythic uuh... Smith" <mythicd@Hotmail.com>]

I don't wish to offend anyone, but SOMEONE needs to defend Jason before this 
gets more out of hand... He stated a couple of opinions, maybe not in the 
most diplomatic way possible, but that's what it was.  He was not saying 
that newbies should not be here, he said (in a not-so-diplomatic way) that 
we should try to figure out our problems maybe a little bit more, because he 
is a little misinformed and thinks that just because something seems very 
basic to him, that it must be at least _known_ to the general population of 
programmers.  I say that we drop the whole subject before this list becomes 
a large flame.

Thanks

-Mythic


>From: "Luis Fernando Talero" <frega007@col1.telecom.com.co>
>Reply-To: gameprogrammer@gameprogrammer.com
>To: <gameprogrammer@gameprogrammer.com>
>CC: <kamel@nolimits-online.com>
>Subject: Re: GRIPES!
>Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:38:26 -0000
>
>Hey Justin,
>
>When I suscribed to this group I did it because it says it is "especially
>tolerant of beginners" so if you  are so expert then what the heck are you
>doing here? Why don´t you just live?
>Nobody stays where don´t like to stay. Besides, if I was so expert and
>powerfull as you (better, as you want to make us belive but "eyes we see 
>but
>don´t hearts") I´ll choose between two paths:
>
>1. Just live (Hey, I really recommend this for you, for you don´t to stop
>your growing to become a deidity) or
>2. Stay and just help people without to be saying !Hey, is here anybody so
>good as me, cause.. this is so boring....
>
>
>Justin, nothing personal, just don´t make us all thing you are some kind of
>stupid chatterbox (even if you are, please, don´t let us know)
>
>I agree with a couple of people when they say that a mailing list or a
>newsgroup must be the last resource to find the solution of a hard problem,
>but, if you can´t find the answer and have finished your resources, even 
>for
>the simplest problem, you have to go there. Do you go to the librarian just
>to resolve the hyper-unknow questions? Then let me tell you you are loosing
>a big part of the good stuff, my little.
>
>Another thing, it´s well know that you can find any info if you go and buy 
>a
>good book, but do you allways have the money to buy it? If so, I really
>congratulate you because you are very fortunate and one of the few that can
>do that, but you must tink that this list is worldwide, here are people 
>from
>French, Germany, southamerica, etc, and no all of them (of us will be
>better) have this capability. Personally, I work on the day and study at
>night and it´s for me and for my classmates (they do the same) a big effort
>just to get the time to study the lessons so, wich is the problem if I use
>this list to resolve some doubts I couldn´t resolve?. For example, lets say
>that I ask you if you know what is JR? Don´t you know, DON´T YU KNOW? Whow,
>maybe it´s because it´s not an american acronym. So, I ask myself: How is
>that there is any JUSTIN who doesn´t know what is JR games? It´s
>umbelievable!!!!
>
>I´m tired now, of all of this, of people like you Justin and the worst is
>that every day most people seems to be the same: just with their outlook,
>nobody else does exist. This people vision of the world isn´t, it´s just 
>its
>vision of their neighborhood or friends.
>
>Ok, Justin. I hope this message works for something on you, you should not
>overestimate the newbies because, as Karmel Serend says, every one of us 
>had
>been one.
>
>And finally, for every one of the mailing list, how comes that some of you
>have feelt the need to post your data - an even the qualifications - just
>because some don´t-know-who asked for it? Think, my little brothers,
>think.... but with your head and not with your pride
>
>Bye
>
>PS: Justin, I have never hear of you in any important game... hum hum...
>strange, isn´t it? for such a big mouth... hum hum
>Thanks to Kamel Serend for to give me - without knowing it- the 
>inspiration.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: justin howard <lordjuz@Hotmail.com>
>To: gameprogrammer@gameprogrammer.com <gameprogrammer@gameprogrammer.com>
>Date: Martes, 07 de Septiembre de 1999 08:37 a.m.
>Subject: GRIPES!
>
>
> >When I joined this list I was assuming a few things and that I may even 
>get
> >some help from some of you...
> >Ive got a few questions for (almost) ALL OF YOU...
> >
> >1) Have any of you got a degree, Software Engineering or Computer 
>Science?
> >
> >2) What kind of game programmer doesnt know what RTS and RPG mean?
> >
> >3) Why are peopole answering messages with a "Im sorry I cant help"?
> >   Surely if you cant help there is no point answering is there!
> >
> >4) I was wondering what the average time trying to nut out your own
>problems
> >is, I have an ssumption it is less than 5 minutes.
> >
> >5) Have any of you even completed high school maths(to those younger 
>ignore
> >this one).
> >
> >
> >Im sorry that some of you got this when you dont deserve it.
> >
> >For those who are still learning the VERY BASICS, its easier to learn 
>from
>a
> >tutorial somewhere on the net.
> >
> >Ok off of gripes,
> >I was wondering ...
> >
> >1) how many people on this list have ever been employed by a game
> >Development company cause im interested...
> >
> >2) and how many are currently working on serious projects or working as a
> >team on something.
> >
> >------
> >thanx for listening
> >And happy programming
> >
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